Match Ticket Information: Away season ticket

How do I go about getting one for next season? Thank you

Programmes Going For Free

My Dad recently passed away, and there is a fair collection of Palace programmes / fanzines ranging from the 90s to 2019 that would be free to any takers willing to collect from East Grinstead. Let me know if you are interested as it would be a shame to throw them away.

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June Betting Masters 235

BM - 235 ...All welcome, show the BBS who the best punter is; don't delay join today!

The Louis Order of Merit for 2022 TBD


Previous winners:

1: el mico
2: three-way 0-0-0 final draw !!!(Plugster, late mail and odds against)
3: Finbar
4: Grim Reaper
5: EagleSE24
6: LLCOOLSTEVE
7: Stigma
8: Stigma
9: Stigma
10: Tor
11: Finbar
12: Finbar
13: old git
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Overall best betting in 2004: Stigma
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14. Reps AJ
15. bradley eagle
16. Tor
17. LLCOOLSTEVE
18. stevejfh
19. Tor
20. Finbar
21. Drunk eagle
22. Ozeagle
23. LLCOOLSTEVE
24. Wildcat Army
25. LLCOOLSTEVE
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Overall best better in 2005: stevejfh
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26: si1965
27: Ozeagle
28: srs9jps
29. si1965
30: hakers
31: Tor (WC '06)
32: srs9jps
33: NO1FAN
34: Drunk eagle
35: Stigma
36: Stigma
37: DedBallSpeshlst
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Overall best better in 2006: Flat Noodle
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38: LLCOOLSTEVE
39: Finbar
40: richdeniro
41: Stigma
Champions league winner 06/07: Ian Hart
UEFA Cup winner 06/07: Gav The Hamster
42: Finbar
43: Funk Butter
44: PoolKing
45: Funk Butter
46: Drunk Eagle
47: StuNick
48: Stigma
49: StuNick
Champions league winner 07/08-1: Finbar
UEFA Cup winner 07/08-1: Gav The Hamster
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Overall best better in 2007: Finbar
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50: GodstoneEagle
51: Funk Butter
52: Finbar
53: Funk Butter
54: LLCOOLSTEVE
55: Al From Bromley
56: Stigma
2008 Olympics: pauldrulez
57: pauldrulez
58: NO1FAN
59: Al From Bromley
60: Drunk Eagle
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Overall best better in 2008: StuNick
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61: StuNick
62: ardeo
63: Stigma
64: LLCOOLSTEVE
65: Finbar
66: No1Fan
67: Al From Bromley
68: Al From Bromley
69: Funk Butter
70: DedBallSpeshlst
71: Kayjay
72: Gooders
73: gjohnk
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Overall best better in 2009: Funk Butter
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74: Finbar
75: StuNick
76: DedBallSpeshlst
77: Swanny32
78: Funk Butter
79: Funk Butter
80: gjohnk
81: Finbar
82: MynamenisnotMax
83: No1Fan
84: gjohnk
85: Little Fozzie
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World Cup 2010 winner: old git
Overall best better in 2010: GodstoneEagle
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86: Flat Noodle
87: Finbar
88: GodstoneEagle
89: Flat Noodle
90: mynameisnotmax
91: Louis
92: Funk Butter
93: gjohnk
94: DedBallSpeshlst
95: Stigma
96: cantspell
97: No1Fan
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2011 Order of Merit Winner: Finbar
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March 100th edition knockout special: Little Fozzie
Champions league winner 1st half 2011: Finbar
Champions league winner 2nd half 2011: StuNick
Jan - May UEFA Cup winner 2011: StuNick
Aug - Dec UEFA Cup winner 2011: Housey100

98: 3 Beers at HT
99: StuNick
100: cantspell
101: Funk Butter
102: Finbar
103: Swanny32
104: Funk Butter
105: Louis
106: srs9jps
107: Funk Butter
108: LLCOOLSTEVE
109: Funk Butter
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2012 Order of Merit Winner: Funk Butter
August - Dec 2012 Champions League winner: Swanny32
August - Dec 2012 UEFA Cup winner: JamTheEagle
Jan - May 2012 Champions League winner: No1Fan
Jan - May 2012 UEFA Cup winner: Ian Hart
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110: Louis
111: Louis
112: Gooders
113: Finbar
114: Little Fozzie
115: StuNick
116: Flat Noodle
117: Louis
118: evvo111
119: srs9jps
120: StuNick
121: LLCOOLSTEVE
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2013 Order of Merit Winner: Louis

Jan - May 2013 Champions League Winner: Gooders
Jan - May 2013 UEFA Cup winner: Scoopster
Aug - Dec 2013 Champions League Winner: Little Fozzie
Aug - Dec 2013 UEFA Cup Winner: Stigma
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122: No1Fan
123: PoolKing
124: LLCOOLSTEVE
125: 3 Beers at HT
126: Louis
127: Finbar
128: LLCOOLSTEVE
129: 3 Beers at HT
130: Finbar
131: Funk Butter
132: Stig
133: Louis

2014 Order of Merit winner: Finbar
Jan - May 2014 Champions League Winner: Stigma
Jan - May 2014 UEFA Cup winner: Bellyman
Aug - Dec 2014 Champions League Winner: Ardeo
Aug - Dec 2014 UEFA Cup Winner: PoolKing
Winter Olympics 2014 Winner: srs9jps

134: Gooders
135: Finbar
136: 3 Beers at HT
137: Funk Butter
138: €pfc
139: Gooders
140: Funk Butter
141: Louis
142: evvo111
143: pauldrulez
144: Louis
145: evvo111

2015 Order of Merit winner: Finbar
Jan - May 2015 Champions League Winner: Funk Butter
Jan - May 2015 UEFA Cup winner: Flat Noodle
Aug - Dec 2015 Champions League Winner: PoolKing
Aug - Dec 2015 UEFA Cup Winner: Little Fozzie
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146: Louis
147: PoolKing
148: Louis
149: evvo111
150: LLCOOLSTEVE
151: StuNick
152: 3 Beers at HT
153: evvo111
154: Finbar
155: 3 Beers at HT
156: Finbar
157: StuNick
2016 Order of Merit winner: StuNick
Jan - May 2016 Champions League Winner: Finbar
Jan - May 2016 UEFA Cup winner: Little Fozzie
Euros 2016 special winner: 3 Beers at HT
2016 Olympics Winner: Funk Butter
Aug - Dec 2016 Champions League Winner: gjohnk
Aug - Dec 2016 UEFA Cup Winner: €pfc

158: 3 Beers at HT
159: Stigma
160: Finbar
161: 3 Beers at HT
162: StuNick
163: Louis
164: Louis
165: PoolKing
166: Louis
167: Finbar
168: Kayjay
169: StuNick
2017 Order of Merit winner: StuNick
Jan - May 2017 Champions League Winner: gjohnk
Jan - May 2017 UEFA Cup winner: Funk Butter
Aug - Dec 2017 Champions League Winner: StuNick
Aug - Dec 2017 UEFA Cup Winner: Louis

170: Louis
171: Finbar
172: Louis
173: Stigma
174: Finbar
175: Louis
176: Stigma
177: StuNick
178: Funk Butter
179: Stigma
180: Finbar
181: Funk Butter
2018 Order of Merit winner: Stigma
Jan - May 2018 Champions League Winner: gjohnk
Jan - May 2018 UEFA Cup winner: eagles073
World Cup BM 2018: 3 Beers at HT
Aug - Dec 2018 Champions League Winner: Stigma
Aug - Dec 2018 UEFA Cup Winner: StuNick

182: Stigma
183: PoolKing
184: StuNick
185: Louis
186: Funk Butter
187: Funk Butter
188: Louis
189: aj4england
190: StuNick
191: Finbar
192: PoolKing
193: Funk Butter
2019 Order of Merit winner: PoolKing
Jan - May 2019 Champions League Winner: StuNick
Jan - May 2019 UEFA Cup winner: Little Fozzie
Aug - Dec 2019 Champions League Winner: Little Fozzie
Aug - Dec 2019 UEFA Cup Winner: PoolKing

194: Kayjay
195: Finbar
196: Finbar
197: 3 Beers at HT
198: Finbar
199: StuNick
200: kayjay
201: Finbar
202: Louis
203: Funk Butter
204: 3 Beers at HT
205: Funk Butter
Order of Merit winner: Funk Butter
Jan - Jul 2020 Champions League Winner: StuNick
Jan - Jul 2020 UEFA Cup winner: eagles073
Sep - Dec 2020 Champions League Winner: Funk Butter
Sep - Dec 2020 UEFA Cup Winner: eagles073
206: Stigma
207: 3 Beers at HT
208: PoolKing
209: PoolKing
210: Stigma
211: Stigma
212: 3 Beers at HT
213: Stigma
214: Funk Butter
215: Stigma
216: Stigma
217: Funk Butter
2021 Order of Merit winner: Stigma
Jan - Jul 2021 Champions League Winner: Funk Butter
Jan - Jul 2021 UEFA Cup winner: Louis
Euros Special 2020 Winner: 3 Beers at HT
2020 Summer Olympics Winner: 3 Beers at HT
Aug - Dec 2021 Champions League Winner: Stigma
Aug - Dec 2021 UEFA Cup Winner: eagles073
218: Stigma
219: Stigma
220: Funk Butter
221: PoolKing
222: PoolKing
223: Stigma
224: Funk Butter
225: 3 Beers at HT
226: Stigma
227: PoolKing
228: PoolKing
229: Gooders
Jan – May 2022 Champions League winner: gjohnk
Jan – May 2022 UEFA Cup winner: Little Fozzie
BM Winter Olympics 2022: Stigma
Aug – Nov 2022 Champions League winner: Gooders
Aug – Nov 2022 UEFA Cup winner: Stigma
BM World Cup 2022 winner: Stigma
230: PoolKing
231: NO1FAN
232: Gooders
233: 3 Beers at HT
234:
235:
236:
237:
238:
239:
240:
Jan – May 2023 Champions League winner: Gooders
Jan – May 2023 UEFA Cup winner: eagles073

Rules are as follows

1 Every player has 200 points to bet with in the first round.

2 Each separate bet made is 10 points meaning players have 20 bets during the first 20 days. Maximum bet on a single market is 10 points, same rule applies for identical multis (basically no duplicate bets though you can do a team A, team B double on one bet and then add team C for a treble in another bet)

3 In the second round the 3* finalists all start by carrying forward 25% of their score from the first round added to the 150 points that can bet used in the second round. The person who qualifies for the final with the most points also gets an additional 10pt bet. (*if the number of participants gets to 7 or more, then a 4th finalist place will be added and then one more for every 5 players on top of that).

4 Betting Masters, first group stages runs from 0000 on the first of the month (standard UK time) to 2359hrs on the 20th of the month. Then the top four* posters come together in a mini league from there on until the end of the month.
Final bet settlement must occur before 2359 on the last day of the month.

5 Naturally the winner is the person with the highest score at the end of the last day of the month.

6 Scoring consists of total winnings and is inclusive of 10 point stake i.e. someone bets on a 6/4 horse and it wins their score becomes 25 (15 points profits plus the 10 pt stake) There is no score for any bets not used. Losing bets are scored as zero, not -10.
Any bet from an exchange bookie will have a 4% commission (on the winnings), if nothing else is explicitly stated in the post.

7 Players must quote where they're getting their prices.

8 Singles and upwards accepted.

9 For boxed multis and bets such as Yankees, each separate bet within the bet counts as separate and will cost 10pts per bet. e.g. ten trebles from five selections will use up 100 points.

10. E/W bets are counted as two bets in the masters, which means 10 points x 2

11. For tracking purposes, players are requested to put the outcome of their bets on the post for all events other than European soccer/tennis.

12. Where possible players are requested to put down a running total of their bets in their posts, although I'll also try and produce rolling league tables where possible.

13. After a bet has been posted up, one is not allowed to edit it..

14. The bets must be possible to do in real life, meaning for example that if you got a multi, all the odds have to come from 1 bookmaker. You can’t shop around for the highest odds and put them together. "Special promotion" type bets are not allowed though BOG (Best Odds Guaranteed) are.

15. Bets must be placed at odds of 1/10 (or 1.1 in decimal) or higher

16. Any Draw No Bet bets where the result is a push will always have the bet settled as void, never 10pts. Any asian handicap bet where the result is a push (in full) will have the bet settled as void. Any asian handicap where half of the stake is returned will be marked down as 5pts with the remainder of the Asian handicap settled as a win or a loss (this is applicable for asian handicaps such as 2.25 or -2, -2.5 etc)

17. In the event that a player is not sure if their bet will finish in time, before midnight on the 20th or midnight for qualifying midnight on the final day of the month for the final, they can make a provisional bet or bets which then become actual bets only if their original selection(s) finishes at 12.01am or after.

Illegal Streamer jailed for 11 years

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CPFC Middle East feeder club

Has anyone seen this?

Surely this can’t be true. I can’t imagine Parish working with Mike Ashley.

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Speculation: Who wants Conor back?

It's a no from me. Would rather we spent our limited funds on a 9 and a RB.

EDIT: Let's assume £35-40m would be his cost.

Twitter: Max Aaron's looking to leave Norwich...

The Athletic have an article that Max Aarons is looking to leave Norwich. He has one year left on his deal and apparently the Norwich DOF is saying he needs to move on also. I assume Naaarch are about to run out of parachute payments..

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Labour to compulsory purchase land for house building without "hope value".

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I hope that this happens. I also hope that much of what is built on this land remains in the ownership of the local authority as social housing with truly affordable rents.

I would add a caveat, that in the process of this reform, the local community are involved in both the decision as to where this land is sourced and what the end result will look like in their environment.

Another hope is that cockneyrebel, sees this as a good Labour socialist policy. Its radical and necessary in my view, especially in rural areas where landowners can grossly add to their pension pots at the expense of the environment and the rest of the local community.

Con dos cojones

Yesterday our governing party suffered some very bad local election results, losing most of the autonomous regions and most of Spain’s main cities. A lot of possible reasons have been suggested, mostly anger with the coalition partners or the support from regional nationalist parties. Personally I’ve mostly been impressed with their economic steering, but it is the shade of govt I favour, though the PM is not personally my cup of tea.
What nobody expected was that he’d bring the general elections forward from November to the earliest possible date, 23rd of July. I just wanted to celebrate this audacious move, and tip my titfer to the slightly irritating Pedro Sanchez. He does make politics more lively, I must say, it beats cowering in govt but barely in power till the last moment possible.

A few pics from yesterday

A few pics from what I could from the Main stand

Palace in the Playoffs

Just because I can and with the Playoffs being on, I thought I'd rank all of our playoff games in order of greatness/joy everlasting etc

1) Brighton away 2013
2) Swindon home 1989
3) West Ham at Cardiff 2004
4) Blackburn home 1989
5) Sheffield United at Wembley 1997
6) Sunderland away 2004
7) Watford at Wembley 2013
8) Wolves home 1997
9) Wolves away 1997
10) Charlton away 1996
11) Sunderland home 2004
12) Brighton home 2013
13) Swindon away 1989
14) Charlton home 1996
15) Bristol City away 2008
16) Blackburn away 1989
17) Leicester at Wembley 1996
18) Watford away 2006
19) Bristol City home 2008
20) Watford home 2006

I reckon we've played 20 games but may have missed something out.

Anyone like to disagree and redo the order, please do so. You'd be wrong of course.

Red and Blue bar

Used to be in block E and got moved so went to upper Holmesdale as better leg room for my dad.

Never been to the Red and Blue bar in the two years I’ve been in the upper stand and went there yesterday before the game. Was surprised how nice it is.

Is it open to the whole Holmesdale or just the upper bit?

prem. footballers new rhyming slang

Ivan Toney - score
Ivan Toney - not score
Ivan Toney - owe me

Frank Lampard -Poney
(you get the picture)

Suggestion: Yerry Mina - Free Agent

Available on a free. Worth a look if we sell Guehi to fund rebuild? Or does his age(28) go against our transfer business model?

Player Ratings And Reviews: Nottingham Forest (h) 28/5/23 1-1 D

Poll to come.

23/24 Fixtures

Just looked on the Premier League website and I see that the fixture list for next season will be revealed at 09:00 BST on Thursday 15 June.
That's only two and a half weeks away!!!

Rumour: Victor Gykores.

We should put a bid in for him,looked good 2nd half, good strength,skill and hold up play.

Offer Coventey Mateta plus cash,would score goals with Eze and Olise playing him in.

Live Com and Updates: Crystal Palace V Nottingham Forest KO 16.30

The end to another season

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Petrol Pump Prices Parade - Please Post Pointers

It seems to be so important to a lot of BBSers that they confuse it with personally suffering a cost of living CRISIS.

I thought I would do you all the service of providing a thread to post where the bargains can be had and which places are ripping you off for a few pence. Then you can all choose to drive that extra distance to top up your tanks.

No need to thank me. All part of the service.

Display v Nottingham Forest

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Looking forward to seeing out the season in style. :p

Ten years ago today

Hard to believe it was ten years ago today that we made our way to Wembley for the Play off Final. After the dramatic win at the Amex anything was possible. What a happy day it was.

Match Updates: May 27 - 31

16:45
Coventry City v Luton Town
Championship Play-Off Final
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Pre-season: Fixtures 2023

• Wed 19-Jul-2023 19:45 - Crawley Town (A)
• Wed 26-Jul-2023 19:00 (Thu 01:00 BST) - Millonarios at SeatGeek Stadium, Chicago
• Sun 30-Jul-2023 19:00 (Mon 00:00 BST) - Sevilla at Comerica Park, Detroit
• Tue 01-Aug-2023 19:45 - Bromley v U21s

Beer Festival 2023

So who's going and when do we get the tickets through?

UEFA U21 European Championships

Due to be held in Romania and Georgia between 21st June and 8th July

Michael Olise has been called up to the provisional French Squad.

The England provisional squad is:

Goalkeepers:

Josh Griffiths (West Bromwich Albion)
Anthony Patterson (Sunderland)
Carl Rushworth (Brighton and Hove Albion)
James Trafford (Manchester City)

Defenders:

Max Aarons (Norwich City)
Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
Levi Colwill (Brighton & Hove Albion, loan from Chelsea)
Charlie Cresswell (Leeds United)
Lewis Hall (Chelsea)
Taylor Harwood-Bellis (Manchester City)
Djed Spence (Stade Rennais, loan from Tottenham Hotspur)
Luke Thomas (Leicester City)

Midfielders:

Tommy Doyle (Manchester City)
Harvey Elliott (Liverpool)
James Garner (Everton)
Curtis Jones (Liverpool)
James McAtee (Manchester City)
Jacob Ramsey (Aston Villa)
Oliver Skipp (Tottenham Hotspur)

Forwards:

Cameron Archer (Aston Villa)
Morgan Gibbs-White (Nottingham Forest)
Anthony Gordon (Newcastle United)
Noni Madueke (Chelsea)
Emile Smith Rowe (Arsenal)

Crystal Palace NSC

Finally some investment (seemingly) on the way. Great news, really sad sight at the moment.

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Car crashes into Downing Street gates

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Honestly Suella really needs her licence taken away :D

Some Migration sense spoken

Dr Peter Drechsler, chair of the ICC UK, has also been speaking to BBC Radio 4’s Today programme ahead of the new figures being released.

He says “it’s worth remembering that every single person living in Britain today is the descendant of an immigrant”.

Drechsler adds it’s very important we change the narrative about migration so we are speaking about immigrants with “respect and appreciation”.

He continues by saying there “is no vision” or “strategy” from the government about what sort of “talent” the UK needs for its future workforce.

Humanitarian and students is the majority of this latest increase. Both of these are temporary. And if some stay because they love it, brilliant it adds to the tax pot and success of the country. I can’t even be bothered to look at the hysteria from the mail or express about these figures.

Tina Turner RIP

Breaking news

Luka Leaving

Oh Captain, my Captain.

England Summer 2024 Squad

Due to be announced at 2pm

Two Euro Qualifying matches, first away in Malta on Friday 16th June and followed by home match at Old Trafford on Monday 19th June.

Assisted Living / Retirement home homes experiences

Looking for BBS experiences

My mother in law is looking to move much closer to us (currently 200 miles away). She’s 83, has been on her own for about 9 months now and has started to lose mobility, and going up to the north west most weekends is getting to be a bit much for us. She’s not in a position where she needs to be in a care home but it is clear she needs more support than a normal flat and a community she can be a part of. So we’re looking at assisted living type places, the McCarthy Stone / Churchill things. There are two brand new ones within 15 minutes of us, and one about 8 years old.

I appreciate the costs for new ones are well over an equivalent flat and the service charges are very high, but does anyone have any practical experiences of them, what they’re actually like to live in beyond the glossy pictures that McCarthy Stone and Churchill show.

Also given the mobility loss that has already started clearly this not likely to be a long term thing, so we’re debating between leasing one and buying one, so views on reselling when the time comes. I get there is likely to be a loss on sale (how could there not be, if basically the market is restricted to anyone over 70 years old etc), but how much etc (yes I will be checking out the land registry etc for this) but also any experiences of time to sell as well.

Also alternative ideas would be appreciated if anyone has any.

Jimmy Mac leaving after nine seasons

A great service to the club. Good luck for the future.

Neil Sullivan (one game loan 1992)

Slightly odd one, but Neil Sullivan played the last game of 1991/92, Away at QPR for us as all four of our Goalkeepers were injured. Has there ever been any pictures of him playing for us? In all the years since I don't think I have ever seen one, but would be intrigued if any exist.

Help with lightweight laptop option

So I need a laptop to travel with it needs to be small and light and run windows, as far as spec it needs to be able to run office without pausing and stream and run videos like Netflix no need for gaming well angry birds , pop slots and kingdom rush.

I am thinking of either surface pro x
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Surface go 3

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The HOmseems best value but can anyone advise me please

Wolves FFP Issues

Lopetegui future at Wolves at risk next season over FFP concerns & transfers.

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Rolf Harris - Dead

Rolf Harris, convicted sex offender dies.

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Live Com and Updates: IPL Cup Final vs Yong PSV, 7pm kick off, 23/5/23 (not on PalaceTV)

Looks like Phillips, JRS, Banks and Street will all be in the squad tonight.

Ray Stevenson RIP

Made some iconic roles his own. Sad.
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Algy Ward Passes away

Didn't see another thread on this but just learned that Tank bassist and vocalist Algy Ward passed away on May 17th. He was a massive Palace fan and even mentioned Selhurst Park in one of his songs. He also played with The Damned.

Loved the stuff he did with Tank and their 80s albums are NWOBHM classics.

RIP Algy

Estate Agent mixed up move-in date for rental property

Hi All,

Just wondering if any housing experts might be able to help out on this one as I've had some great advice on here in the past when it comes to housing and property.

We have recently secured a lease on a new rental property, paid the holding deposit and completed referencing. It was advertised as being available from the 19th June and all communication to/from the estate agent has been based on that move-in date.

However the estate agent has called us and said he has mixed up the available from date and said the date it was available from was meant to be the 28th June as the existing family living in the property had agreed a weeks extension to their lease.

We had already had our notice served by our landlord as she is selling the property and the original section 21 notice ended the tenancy on the 28th June but we went back and told the agency that we had found somewhere else so could vacate on the 19th June which was accepted as a counter as I guess it allowed the landlord to bring her exchange date forward. Obviously we should have waited until we'd signed the new lease agreement before asking to finish the current rental early but we didn't expect things to turn out like this.

Is there anything we can do? The landlord and estate agent on the property we are currently renting are adamant that we have to be out on the 19th and will be putting her sale into jeopardy if we try to revert back and stay to the date in the original Section 21 notice.

We don't have very much money and the thought of having to effectively double our moving costs by doing it twice in the space of 10 days paying to store everything somewhere for that time along with living in a hotel or airbnb for a week doesn't really appeal especially with a 3 month old baby.

Thank you in advance.

So who do you want down..?

Pick 2 from the 3 ?

Suggestion: Karmaldeen Sulemana

I think he needs his own thread. The guy is just a ridiculous talent. So much speed. Young. Can play anywhere across the front 3, although mainly on the left. I've watched him quite closely since he signed for Southampton. Even if Wilf signs we are going to need strong back up as he may miss games due to injury. I like Sarr, I like CHO, but this would now be my top choice winger for us to bring in. We have Ayew, Schlupp and Guehi who all have links to Ghana. Could we attract him to Palace now that the Saints have been relegated?

Edit: I also meant to say that if we are sticking with Hodgson then pace on the counter attack is even more important when deciding who to target. This guy has it in buckets.

Suggested Team and Formation For: Nottingham Forest (h) 28/5/23

Last game of the season!

Johnstone
Ward - Andersen - Guehi - Mitchell
Doucoure
Eze - Ahamada
Olise - Edouard - Ayew

Guaita, Clyne, Richards, Adaramola, Milivojevic, Hughes, McArthur, Schlupp, Mateta

Obviously no idea who’s going to be available, but with 5 subs, it’d be good to see Clyne, Luka and McArthur get on the pitch if it’s the last time they’ll be playing for us, and give them a send off. Then let’s get Tayo some minutes, he’ll be raring to go after smashing Yong PSV. :D

Ahamada the wildcard in the starting line up, let’s get him playing.

Player Ratings And Reviews: Fulham (A) 20/05/23 2-2 D

Poll to come.

Clubs hero managers

The Watford manager got a standing ovation from the palace fans at the end of last season, will the Palace manager get a standing ovation from the Fulham fans today?

Darren pitcher

According to Wikipedia he has been dead five years

Match Updates: May 20 - 26

12:30
Stockport County v Salford City
League Two Play-Off Semi-Final 2nd Leg
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12:30
Tottenham Hotspur v Brentford
Premier League
BT Sport 1BT Sport Ultimate


15:00
Carlisle United v Bradford City
League Two Play-Off Semi-Final 2nd Leg
Sky Sports Main EventSky Sports FootballSky Sports Ultra HDR


17:30
Nottingham Forest v Arsenal
Premier League
Sky Sports Main EventSky Sports Premier LeagueSky Sports Ultra HDR

Live Com and Updates: Fulham V Crystal Palace KO 15:00

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Parking ticket advice

My son got a ticket at a local sports center that was a Pay & Display where he was part of the away team playing football. A ticket was sent to my adress and he responded with a chequer for the parking ticket explaining that he was led to belive there wasnt any charge but if there was he was happy to pay. It also reffered to his new address. He tried to contact via phone to dicuss but no number. They then sent him and even larger ticket to his new address, proving receipt of the original letter. Again he tried to contact and said it was obvoios that they wer not accpeting his cheque and offereing to pay the original ticket. but no number. Now they have put it in the hands of a debt collection company. He, and I, are pretty pissed as its impossible to talk or contact anyone. Ibe told him to go to citizens advice but wondered if the BBS had any experince? Its a private ticket btw not a council or police one.

He is an aprentice in Bristol and earns 50p and a T shirt currently.

Press Conference Live: Pre-Fulham Friday 1pm

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Crystal Ball: Fulham Away

Next match is tomorrow at Fulham.
Score, scorers and attendance.

RIP Andy Rourke

Rest in Peace Andy. Utter legend.

Rest away from all your demons. Heaven knows you now.

Lego or plug ?

What is worse to tread on Barefoot?

British plug for me. Euro plugs are not a problem, they lay down flat.

Name me an album where every song is great.

London Calling - The Clash

Any conveyancing solicitors out there? Land Registry query!

Hi

Don't know if anyone is able to help me.

Property that I currently own (along with 5 kids) currently has a Land registry (from 1998) in the name of my late wife and her ex-husband.
They divorced, late wife took on mortgage on her own following divorce.
I subsequently got together with her and went on mortgage.
Late wife died 4 years ago. Terms of will is that house is left half to me, with remaining half to the 6 kids split between them. No probate involved.
Stepdaughter been renting since.
I now want to sell house next year so kids can have some money.
Can I just go ahead and sell house to new owners, without changing Land Registry (into mine and kids names) or do I need to change it first?
Will it hold the sale up?
Is it best to go to a solicitor!

Thread split / merge

Would a kindly mod be able to move all the posts about the 2023 season in the County Cricket 2022 thread into the new one?
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Toney

6 months apparently

Rumour: Jefferson lerma

This is picking up a lot of momentum so I think it deserves its own thread but him on a free also he requests one free punch to andersens nose when he joins surely an offer he can’t refuse?

Joseph Muscat

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Interesting article looks like we dodged a bullet former Prime Minister of Malta but not the greatest track record.

County Cricket 2023

6 weeks late, but let's get in on in here!

Surrey have made a good start to the County Championship.
I popped in for a mizzly afternoon last Friday and saw Burns and Smith come close to tons against Middlesex!

Another local derby this week, then the fun of the Blast!


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Jamie Vardy

With Leicester on the brink I can’t help but remember Vardy’s Eagle celebration in front of the Holmesdale back in 2019. It’s been a while but Karma is a wonderful thing.

Palace Claret and Blue 7" single

One has just become available on eBay if anyone is interested?

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King Roy .... another year!

Who else but Roy and Ray to see us move on safely if Wilf moves on?
Another year unless somebody too good to miss is available...

Hotel info needed

Im coming to england with my daughter and son in law for a couple of weeks from june 1-14. Does anyone know of a reasonably priced place to stay in the croydon area? We would be using public transport to get around.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Punk at The Portland Arms, South Norwood

Just a heads up to anyone into 70’s punk, local punk bands Slider and Ferrets will be having a night of classic 70’s punk, this coming Saturday (20th)
if you’re on the way home from Fulham, and fancy a sing a long, the Portland Arms is the place to be.
Show starts around 8-30, free entry.

Turkish Election

Quite surprised not to see a thread on this - quite a monumental moment when it comes to Eastern Med politics and one which has major ramifications across the region.

Erdogan seemingly (and rightly) losing ground to Kilicdaroglu's coalition. Likely to go to a second round at the end of May, but it's the first time in years where that stranglehold has been threatened.

Anadolu doing what Anadolu does, lots of rhetoric but this one matters.

Greatest Palace goals

Well
What can I say but I thought the second goal was up there with the very best I have seen at Selhurst
When broken down it comprises a fabulous pass from Michael, a sublime first touch, a very elegant dribble and a great top corner shot
Compares very favourably with the following
Several Ambrose strikes
Southgate against pompey
John ‘yogi’ Hughes against the blades
Don Rogers against Manure
What do others think

Phillip Schofield

Is there something in the press coming out soon? He seems to be getting a lot of negative attention.

Suggested Team and Formation For: Fulham (A) 20/05/23

Johnstone
Ward - Andersen - Guehi - Mitchell
Doucoure
Eze - Schlupp
Olise - Edouard - Ayew

Guaita, Clyne, Richards, Riedewald, McArthur, Lokonga, Hughes, Ahamada, Mateta

Hopefully Wilf’s injury isn’t too serious so he can come back in.

Eurovision 2023

No official thread?

Bring on the madness

Player Ratings And Reviews: Bournemouth (h) 13/05/23, 2-0 W

Poll to come.

Eurovison vote Finland its iAki’s missus

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Match Updates: May 13 - 19

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Live Com and Updates: Crystal Palace V AFC Bournemouth KO 15:00

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Live Com and Updates: Palace U15 vs Stoke U15 Floodlit National Final, 12 May, 19:00, live on PalaceTV

Floodlit final tonight for the U15s. I can’t watch but best of luck to the lads.

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Some wholesome content for you from the club. Looks like Guaita has got to know little Whitworth! :D

I’m sure posters probably know this but I’d encourage everyone to be careful in posting anything too critical online, these lads are very young.

COYP! Big win tonight then onto enjoy the U21 final at Selhurst.

Greek Cup Final at Selhurst?

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Anyone know anything more about this?

Press Conference Live: Pre-Bournemouth Friday 1:30pm

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Pre Season 2023

Usually this time of year we start hearing rumours and confirmation (usually from our opponents!) of pre-season fixtures.

Any rumours or news been confirmed as yet?

Player of the year opinion

The club is asking for player of the year votes , I believe it’s hard to pick one as quite a few have done well , I’ve gone for Marc guehi just wondered what other people’s thoughts are ?

Premier League Sustainability Table

Palace have improved their score to 16/27 and moved up 5 places based on last year (15th with a score of 11.5/24)

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These couple of snippets were interesting:

"Plans to install solar power at our Academy site in summer 2023 and evaluating installs at our Training Ground and Stadium"
"20,000 plastic membership cards phased out and replaced by mobile ticketing except for use by supporters with special needs or disabilities requesting them – fewer than 2,000 now in circulation."

Crystal Ball: Bournemouth (h)

Score scorers and attendance please
3-0
Wilf 3
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La Liga 2

With three games to go the table looks like:

1st - Las Palmas - 67pts with a +17 GD
2nd - Eibar - 67pts with a +9 GD

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3rd - Granada - 66pts with a +19 GD
4th - Alaves - 66pts with a +13 GD
5th - Levante - 65pts with a +14 GD
6th - Albacete - 62pts with a +10 GD

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7th - Cartagena - 58pts with a +5 GD
8th - Real Oviedo - 55pts with a -1 GD
9th - Burgos - 54pts with a +3 GD
10th - Tenerife - 53pts with a +5 GD

Top two get promoted to La Liga with 3rd to 6th going into the Play-Offs. Currently stands that the top 5 are all going for the title/promotion with 10th place up also all potentially could end up in the Play-Offs.

Robert De Niro’s lactating

Well, the mother of his new born baby is.

A father at 79!

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Imran Khan

What's going on?

Guilty or stitch-up?

Andrew Bridgen-Reclaim Party MP

Apparently he's thrown his lot in with Lawrence Fox and Palace Saviour Jeremy Hosking.

Suggested Team and Formation For: Bournemouth (h) 13/05/23

Johnstone
Ward - Andersen - Guehi - Mitchell
Doucoure
Eze - Schlupp
Olise - Ayew - Zaha

Guaita, Clyne, Richards, Riedewald, Milivojevic, Hughes, Ahamada, Edouard, Mateta

Travel Information: No Trains for Bournemouth Match?

I just saw this from the club...

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I'm staying in London near Piccadilly. I was going to take the train from Victoria to Selhurst for the match this Saturday.

So if I read that correctly, there are no trains to/from Selhurst, Norwood Junction, or Thornton Heath on matchday. So what's the best way to get there and back? I don't mind a long walk. Is there any service on Saturday to stations farther away, or am I looking at a cab ride? I don't even know how to get a cab after the match, other than hiking to a hotel in Croydon and asking there.

GP crisis

So our GP’s are now overwhelmed. Firstly the don’t understand why. We have slightly more people but it’s now like getting an appointment with god. I recently waited 5 weeks for one. So the answer from some genius in Whitehall is to hand some of the work down to the Pharmacists.

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Who comes up with these ideas? We already have a problem with Anti-biotics over use and declining results. Add we have had a large decline in the number of Pharmacies and you wonder what reality they live in

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Scottish League 2 final table...

East Fife 4th, Forfar 5th! :supergrin:

Let;s all laugh at........smallwall

So much for the kent-boys boring on about how they're gonna walk the playoffs . Talk about choking. BTW at London Bridge today pre-match their groups oflads ( 40-50 year olds) were passing through just like the bad old days under heavy police presence.

Pubs for: Fulham away 20th May

Any ideas ?

How would you feel if we appointed Graham Potter in the summer?

Obviously he's ex Brighton so I'm sure some of our fans would be against it straight away but he also did a pretty good job there in the end and got them playing possesion based football.

I think it's definitely a possibility that Parish will be looking at him as a potential appointment in the summer.

Just interested to see what our fans think?

Poll to follow.

Asking Chat GPT about Palace and getting bizarre replies

I wasn't sure where to post this, because it is about Palace so probably should be promoted to the "On Topic" section, but as it's about computers and AI technology I thought I'd stick it in here.

I find AI fascinating, but what I really find most fascinating is when it gives you incorrect facts, a term the IT people call "hallucination" (an attempt to cover up the truth: that their data engines are not as good as they like to think they are and they rushed it through far too quickly).

So, my question (and it was a genuine question) on Chat GPT was:

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Who is the most hated former Crystal Palace player by Crystal Palace fans?

This was the first reply:

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As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or emotions, but I can provide information based on available data. That being said, I cannot definitively determine who the most hated former Crystal Palace player is among Crystal Palace fans, as opinions and emotions can vary widely among individuals. However, there have been some players who have faced criticism or negative reactions from Palace fans in the past, such as Neil Shipperley, who scored a controversial goal for Sheffield United against Palace in the 2003 First Division playoff final, or Mile Jedinak, who left the club under acrimonious circumstances in 2016. Ultimately, the level of hatred or dislike towards a former player would be subjective and dependent on individual fan perspectives.

So, I replied:

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Your data is wrong and needs to be corrected. For a start, Neil Shipperley was playing for Wimbledon at that time, and only joined Crystal Palace in 2003. Sheffield United was indeed in the 2003 First Division playoff final, but they lost 0-3 against Wolverhampton Wanderers so no one from Sheffield United scored any goals in that game and Crystal Palace were not in the final anyway. In fact, in the 2004 playoff final, it was Neil Shipperley who scored the goal that got us into the Premier League against West Ham! However, the one thing you are correct about is that Neil Shipperley has gone down in many fans' estimation after he was convicted in 2019 for flashing and public masturbation. However, I'm not sure if he would be the most hated former Crystal Palace player as far as the fans are concerned.

Talk about having to do someone else's job for them(!). Anyhow, the reponse was pretty standard:

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Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I apologize for the error in my initial response. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, and I appreciate your input in helping me improve my knowledge and responses. It's important to note that opinions and emotions towards former players can vary widely among individuals, and it can be difficult to determine who is the most hated or disliked by all fans. Nonetheless, I hope my revised response is more accurate and informative.

I wasn't exactly satisfied with that. I felt that it was particularly nasty to single out Jedi so I wanted to try and found out why it came to that quite horrible conclusion. I thought, perhaps there's a Brighton fan working for OpenAI who has been feeding it misinformation just to piss us off. So I said:

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I also don't understand why your data singled our Mile Jedinak, who didn't really leave in acrimonious circumstances, and who many Palace fans still consider a club legend. Can you tell me why you gave me these answers?

To be fair, Chat GPT then admitted it was wrong, that there were no acrimonious circumstances and that we actually respect him:

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I apologize for any confusion my previous response may have caused. As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or biases, and my responses are based on data and information available to me. In regards to the example I provided about Mile Jedinak, I was mistaken in suggesting that he left Crystal Palace in acrimonious circumstances. In fact, Jedinak played a key role in helping Crystal Palace win promotion to the Premier League in the 2012-13 season, and he remained a popular and respected figure among Palace fans during his time at the club. He eventually left Crystal Palace in 2016 to join Aston Villa, and while his departure may have been disappointing for some Palace fans, I am not aware of any widespread acrimony or ill-feeling towards him among supporters. In regards to the example I provided about Neil Shipperley, I apologize for the inaccuracies in my initial response. It appears that my data was incorrect, and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention and providing more accurate information. As you mentioned, Shipperley did score a key goal for Crystal Palace in the 2004 playoff final against West Ham, which helped the club secure promotion to the Premier League. However, his later conviction for indecent exposure and public masturbation may have led to some fans distancing themselves from him. I hope this clarification helps, and please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

Interestingly, the chatbot then brought back the Shipperley story which I wasn't expecting because I thought that was all done and dusted, but I still don't think he's our most hated former player, even though what he did was despicable. So I penned back a swift response:

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That's fine. If you ever get asked this question again, rather than plucking some name out of thin air and with no justification, not very many Crystal Palace fans liked Neil Ruddock during his short time with us. He always seemed to put himself before the team, and he struggled with issues regarding his fitness. There's loads more. But please, don't say Mile Jedinak again, we loved him at Palace.

I have no idea whether this data will indeed be learnt, and maybe it would be a good idea for someone else, in a few weeks, from a different Chat GPT account, to ask the same question. Either way, it is pretty scary that it can be so definite about something so wrong. To think that the Government are probably using AI in all sorts of things, such as possibly deciding whether someone should get refugee status or sickness benefit, is very scary.

Thought I'd put this up here, in case anyone else has similar stories with AI getting it completely wrong.

Alternative Premier League

Based purely on affinity and loathing

1 Crystal Palace: OF COURSE
2 Fulham: Always liked the ground and the away day. Feel Fulham fans have the same cross to bare as us
3 Brentford: What was a small club that has grown and built things the right way. Again all Brentford fans I've met have the same level of expectation
4 Bournemouth: Notice a theme here?
5 Forrest: Hope they survive. Real European and football trail blazers back in the day that gave me a soft spot for them.
6. Villa: FA cup semi v the scousers was at their ground and just for that they get a pass.
7 Leicester: Kicked the big boys in the teeth by winning the league
8 Southampton: Always admired their players and their yout ( Ratboy exception)
9 Spurs: Nothing really for or agaisnt these guys so mid table mediocrity
10 Wolves: As a child I loved them for their name and Orange ( not his yellow crap they are now wearing ) was my favourite colour
11 Man City: Even if my car got smashed up when I mistakenly parked in Moss side and even though they are getting a bit boring always winning, the fans never had a sence on entitlement, thyey remeber the bad years AND the hate Utd.
12 Chelsea. Up a lot with the appoittnment of Lampard. Pathetic "come on you Chels" support suffereing from the withdrawal of the Ogliarchs money.
13 Newcastle: This lot I think will drop like a stone in my league as they invest their green wash money
14 West Ham: Would have been a lot higher, if it wasn't for the unfair stadium deal
15 Leeds: Thugs
16 Everton: Last seasons escape, blatant FFP breaking and fan behaviors. Hope they go down to learn a hard lesson.
17 Arsenal: Would have been a lot higher if it wasnt for Arsenal TV showing what pricks their supporters are
18 Liverpool. Scouse bin dipping, allways someone elses fault, best team in the world twats.
19 Man Utd: *****na, Paul Nixon, Surrey based "supporters" entilted WANKERS
20 Brighton: Was never going to be anything different

Racist Abuse in the stands yesterday.

Waking up to 2 accounts of separate issues with racist abuse yesterday.

One bloke gesturing to Son (I’m sure you can guess what he was doing), as he walked past the Palace fans.

And another bloke shouting abuse about the holocaust to the Spurs fans.

Our away support is getting worse and worse in my opinion, and it’s starting to get picked up by the media.

We’re not that club. Please let’s collectively start condemning these actions if we see this stuff in the stands.

The Son video:

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Support Brighton for a day?

Could you if it means relegating Everton?

Player Ratings And Reviews: Spurs 1-0 Palace

2 team who were utter shite.

Ward done well on the right, but should’ve got his head to Kane’s goal, he was positioned all wrong. Their right back was far too open for the cross too.

Apart from that, just a poor poor game.

Hated Tottenham’s stadium, every part of the experience is what’s wrong with modern football.

Live Com and Updates: Liverpool U21, PL2, 06/05/23, 13:00 (Live on PalaceTV)

A win and Palace will finish 2nd in the league.

Match Updates: May 6 - 12

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Southend United

Have been issued another winding up petition.

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Par for the course when your club badge looks like an episode of Ozark I suupose.



(I mean, it does doesn't it?)

Live Com and Updates: Tottenham Hotspur V Crystal Palace KO 15:00

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You tube channel - nicktimo11

Well worth a look through the palace videos from you tube user
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Fixture Information: Premier League International Cup Final

Looks like it's scheduled for 23rd May, 19:00 KO at Selhurst.

Darren Powell and Owen Goodman have called for the fans to turn up. Would be a shame not to get over 2000+ for this.

2023/24 Kit Announcements

As tradition dictates here is the list as they are announced of new football kits for the 2023/24 Season. Please be aware that I will only be doing the official announcements only and I will be ignoring "leaks" and the like but feel free to discuss. Also due to time restraints these will be for the 92 English Football League clubs only, again feel free to post others as and when they become relevant.

**Note** As the teams for next season are confirmed I will put a league order in as well

**Note** Bolded Green is in-stock now and Orange is pre-order when announced

May 4th

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Giro 2023

The Grand Tours deserve their own threads so here's the first one of the year!

Saturday 6th May-Sunday 28th May

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Superga

Thought it was worth noting the anniversary of the Superga Air Disaster back in 1949 after spotting a nice memorial from Benfica today, whom Torino had been playing in a friendly directly before it.

An interesting and mostly unknown connection with us is that Torino's manager Leslie Lievesley ended his football career with Palace just as WWII was beginning, making over 80 appearances for us.

Summer Transfer Window 2023

I guess it is time to kick this thread off with what should be the biggest name to move over the summer.

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Fabrizio Romano @FabrizioRomano 🚨⚪️ Real Madrid are close to complete deal to sign Jude Bellingham, confirmed. Negotiations are progressing to the final stages. Personal terms are almost agreed — Juni Calafat, crucial again. New meeting has been scheduled to complete the agremeent with Borussia Dortmund. 9:53 PM · May 3, 2023 · 37.2M Views

A.I cover songs

For those that haven’t heard any, it’s using artificial intelligence software to get one artist covering another song. By feeding an artist's entire back catalogue to the A.I software, including recorded or live vocals and speech patterns, it allows it to mimic their singing. You then can make them cover any song you want.

Clearly in its infancy, so results are varied, but some are quite shockingly authentic. Can only imagine how good the technology will be as time goes on.

It’s quite mind blowing and not sure what this means for the music industry? Already, certain artists are up in arms about it and has opened up a Pandora’s box of legal and morality issues.

Local elections May 2023

Let's have a thread to contain all the excitement in one place

Live Com and Updates: Palace U21 vs Valencia B Premier League International Cup SemiFinal (NOT on PalaceTV)

Suggestion: Charlie Patino

Apparently he's looking for a new club. Not likely to get a look in at the arse right now. Had a good season on loan also

Crystal Ball: Spurs Away

All eyes on Palaces on Saturday: Buckingham in the morning and Crystal in the afternoon.

Predictions for the score, scorers and attendance please.

Don't forget that scorers and crowd numbers must be posted an hour before KO though you can predict the result/score right up until KO.

Free public transport

Obviously I know it won't happen under either the Tories or new new Labour.

But Luxemburg and Malta do it, so even under the current system it is feasible.

Also quite a lot of cities across Europe now do it.

Crisps

Went in to tescos today, normal size packet of walkers cheese and onion £1 when did that bloody happen ?

Being a guest in opponents box at away game!

My cousins are big Spurs fans and have got me and my dad tickets in a box at the new WHL this Saturday. I’m a season ticket holder in our main stand but rarely go to away games due to the fact that I go with my 82 year old dad and he can’t stand up for 2 x 45 minutes. I also have a shit load of other things going on in my life that I like to do on alternate Saturdays throughout the footie season.
The question is…apart from the obvious of not wearing Palace colours how the hell do I act when Wilf gets his hat trick in the 38th minute?

New Kit for 23/24 Season

It's that time of the year again where we'll speculate about whether the kit(s) will be released at the end of year awards, whether they'll be red and blue or blue and red and people complaining about the prices.

On the basis we should be with both Macron and Cinch again next season I think we will see at least one before the end of the season. Maybe new home kit against Forest?

Would like a non-black sash kit next season and maybe a little more yellow.

Gordon Lightfoot RIP

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Sundown. RIP

Any good pubs for lunch within walking distance of Selhurst Park

When I travel to Palace, I take the train from Victoria to either Selhurst or Norwood Junction. Are there any good pubs within a 20ish minute walk to Selhurst Park on match day? I'm specifically looking for a place where I can sit down at a table, have a pint or two, and fish and chips or a burger, normal pub food. I typically go to Shelverdine Goathouse, as it ticks all those boxes. Just curious if there are other options. When I look on google, everything else looks like drinks only with no sit down food, or cheap takeaway fast food places without seating.

I don't mind walking briskly, so it doesn't have to be that close to the ground; it could be farther away.