Asking Chat GPT about Palace and getting bizarre replies

dimanche 7 mai 2023

I wasn't sure where to post this, because it is about Palace so probably should be promoted to the "On Topic" section, but as it's about computers and AI technology I thought I'd stick it in here.

I find AI fascinating, but what I really find most fascinating is when it gives you incorrect facts, a term the IT people call "hallucination" (an attempt to cover up the truth: that their data engines are not as good as they like to think they are and they rushed it through far too quickly).

So, my question (and it was a genuine question) on Chat GPT was:

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Who is the most hated former Crystal Palace player by Crystal Palace fans?
This was the first reply:

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As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or emotions, but I can provide information based on available data. That being said, I cannot definitively determine who the most hated former Crystal Palace player is among Crystal Palace fans, as opinions and emotions can vary widely among individuals. However, there have been some players who have faced criticism or negative reactions from Palace fans in the past, such as Neil Shipperley, who scored a controversial goal for Sheffield United against Palace in the 2003 First Division playoff final, or Mile Jedinak, who left the club under acrimonious circumstances in 2016. Ultimately, the level of hatred or dislike towards a former player would be subjective and dependent on individual fan perspectives.
So, I replied:

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Your data is wrong and needs to be corrected. For a start, Neil Shipperley was playing for Wimbledon at that time, and only joined Crystal Palace in 2003. Sheffield United was indeed in the 2003 First Division playoff final, but they lost 0-3 against Wolverhampton Wanderers so no one from Sheffield United scored any goals in that game and Crystal Palace were not in the final anyway. In fact, in the 2004 playoff final, it was Neil Shipperley who scored the goal that got us into the Premier League against West Ham! However, the one thing you are correct about is that Neil Shipperley has gone down in many fans' estimation after he was convicted in 2019 for flashing and public masturbation. However, I'm not sure if he would be the most hated former Crystal Palace player as far as the fans are concerned.
Talk about having to do someone else's job for them(!). Anyhow, the reponse was pretty standard:

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Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I apologize for the error in my initial response. As an AI language model, I strive to provide accurate and up-to-date information, and I appreciate your input in helping me improve my knowledge and responses. It's important to note that opinions and emotions towards former players can vary widely among individuals, and it can be difficult to determine who is the most hated or disliked by all fans. Nonetheless, I hope my revised response is more accurate and informative.
I wasn't exactly satisfied with that. I felt that it was particularly nasty to single out Jedi so I wanted to try and found out why it came to that quite horrible conclusion. I thought, perhaps there's a Brighton fan working for OpenAI who has been feeding it misinformation just to piss us off. So I said:

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I also don't understand why your data singled our Mile Jedinak, who didn't really leave in acrimonious circumstances, and who many Palace fans still consider a club legend. Can you tell me why you gave me these answers?
To be fair, Chat GPT then admitted it was wrong, that there were no acrimonious circumstances and that we actually respect him:

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I apologize for any confusion my previous response may have caused. As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or biases, and my responses are based on data and information available to me. In regards to the example I provided about Mile Jedinak, I was mistaken in suggesting that he left Crystal Palace in acrimonious circumstances. In fact, Jedinak played a key role in helping Crystal Palace win promotion to the Premier League in the 2012-13 season, and he remained a popular and respected figure among Palace fans during his time at the club. He eventually left Crystal Palace in 2016 to join Aston Villa, and while his departure may have been disappointing for some Palace fans, I am not aware of any widespread acrimony or ill-feeling towards him among supporters.

In regards to the example I provided about Neil Shipperley, I apologize for the inaccuracies in my initial response. It appears that my data was incorrect, and I appreciate you bringing this to my attention and providing more accurate information. As you mentioned, Shipperley did score a key goal for Crystal Palace in the 2004 playoff final against West Ham, which helped the club secure promotion to the Premier League. However, his later conviction for indecent exposure and public masturbation may have led to some fans distancing themselves from him.

I hope this clarification helps, and please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns.

Interestingly, the chatbot then brought back the Shipperley story which I wasn't expecting because I thought that was all done and dusted, but I still don't think he's our most hated former player, even though what he did was despicable. So I penned back a swift response:

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That's fine. If you ever get asked this question again, rather than plucking some name out of thin air and with no justification, not very many Crystal Palace fans liked Neil Ruddock during his short time with us. He always seemed to put himself before the team, and he struggled with issues regarding his fitness. There's loads more. But please, don't say Mile Jedinak again, we loved him at Palace.
I have no idea whether this data will indeed be learnt, and maybe it would be a good idea for someone else, in a few weeks, from a different Chat GPT account, to ask the same question. Either way, it is pretty scary that it can be so definite about something so wrong. To think that the Government are probably using AI in all sorts of things, such as possibly deciding whether someone should get refugee status or sickness benefit, is very scary.

Thought I'd put this up here, in case anyone else has similar stories with AI getting it completely wrong.


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